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Yet Another Response to the (Anonymous ) Unfortunate Propaganda about MDMA

……….below is a brief statement I have written in response to those who perpetrate the relentless propaganda about MDMA, but I would appreciate any *brief* corrections or additions that you might have to offer:

MDMA (ecstasy) stimulates dopamine release at low doses and serotonin release at high doses.

Neurotoxic effects are often exaggerated, and can be blocked by administering a SSRI shortly after taking MDMA.

The doses required to achieve neurotoxicity in many of the animal studies is often at least five times the doses used by humans on a milligram per kilogram basis.

Studies of past MDMA users which have demonstrated some slight memory impairments have always included poly-substance abusers so it is never clear whether MDMA was by itself responsible for the deficit.

The neurotoxicity findings are definitely cause for concern-abusing lots of MDMA all the time doesn’t sound like a very good idea, but these findings certainly don’t demonstrate that MDMA has an unacceptable level of toxicity to prohibit its use in psychotherapy, or even to pose a significant risk to occasional users.

Ecstasy has been around in popular use for twenty years, and in fact, there has not been an epidemic of depression or any other serotonin-related health problems among past MDMA users.

The Ricaurte Lab, which produced many of these findings and takes in a lot of government “drug war” money to demonize MDMA, recentlyhad to retract an article they published in Science. In this non-human primate study, they claimed that one dose of MDMA could cause permanent Parkinson’s-like symptoms by damaging dopamine-releasing neurons. In their retraction, they claimed that their MDMA bottle actually contained methamphetamine, and blamed the drug company. The drug company responded that this sort of mix-up simply never happens. Many respected scientists called this a major scandal and called for an investigation.

In fact, recently, an article published at nature.com reported how ecstasy was an effective therapy for Parkinson’s disease in mice: http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050801/full/050801-3.html . MDMA was the
most effective among 60 different compounds tried.

However, many users do report a mild to moderate rebound depression for a few days after MDMA use, which can be reduced by either taking tryptophan supplements before the trip or an SSRI near the peak of the trip. Interestingly, depressed patients on SSRIs have a reduced effect of ecstasy, presumably because their serotonin receptors are already down regulated.


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4 responses to “Yet Another Response to the (Anonymous ) Unfortunate Propaganda about MDMA”

  1. themysteriousmr Avatar

    you might wanna cut out the last few paragraphs.
    taking things like 5-htp or l-tryptophan as precursors (pre-loading) has limited effects in many trials on both heightening the trip and helping with it after.
    and alluding that depressed patients or those on ssris experience a reduced effect. again, that’s more qualitative.
    but it’s true, you get depressed afterwards, but it’s not like sudden onset, you clearly realize why you are depressed.
    i always think of it this way:
    My brain is both a petroleum manufacturer and gas station.
    Happiness is the gas, and when you use it all at once it takes a while for you body to start manufacturing it again.
    Don’t know if I made any sense.
    The drug war is fucked, keep on keep on keep on audiomind. – Mike

    Oh, yeah and an SSRI at the peak of the trip would simply stop it. Most people don’t realize that SSRI’s work immediately. That is to say, neurological changes are basically immediate, although psychiatrists have NO explanation as to why effects on personality are not seen until many weeks later. LATER MAN!

    1. audiomind Avatar

      Shakespeare once said, ” A rose is a rose by any other name”; such is scientific fraud and deceit.

      (as it relates to the original story of ‘bad science’ by the Ricaurte group)

      The proof is in the pudding, it doesn’t matter whether they intentionally, unintentionally or accidentally submitted their claims. As scientists they are responsible and should be held accountable for KNOWING if a bottle is mislabeled, or if the design of their experiment is flawed in such a way as to bias the results, i.e.- cannulated dosing of drugs, administering amounts far in excess of normal human intake, etc. THIS constitutes FRAUD – when you KNOW something you are doing is out of the context of the reality of what you’re doing and then passing it off as science (truth).

      The alternative is that he’s (Ricaurte,etc) an idiot if he could not foresee that something was terribly wrong with the dose, the drug (meth vs. MDMA) or the method employed (cannulation). The proof is that a scientist is supposed to KNOW these things. Once the erratic behavior of the rats became noticeable, it should have been incumbent upon the SCIENTIST(s) to find out why, that’s what a GC/MS or LC/MS should have ordered BEFORE announcing to the world their dubious (at best) results/claims. A simple melt-point could have even revealed the alleged error.

      All in all, what they did was and is tantamount to fraud & scientific misconduct, but call it whatever you like. It is simply unacceptable behavior and misjudgment at BEST.

      ….end nerdilicious rant!….

      1. themysteriousmr Avatar

        “When fascism comes to America it will come wearing a white coat and carrying a stethoscope.”

  2. meow Avatar

    Interesting. Both the post and above response. Thanks!

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